Do you like to pay more tax than you
need to balance?
>> No. You probably have an accountant just
as I do who gives you legal I stress
legal ways to minimize what you have to
pay.
>> You pay a tax.
>> Yeah, absolutely. Boy, don't you worry.
I pay my fair share. I do nothing
illegal, but I will explore any
efficiency quite rightly.
>> Yes, exactly. And for the
>> This isn't an efficiency, Bal. This is a
dodge.
>> Angela has bought a house in Hoveve in
Brighton. Is that correct?
>> Yes, sir. £800,000. Yeah.
>> Okay. Did she pay stamp duty on that?
>> Uh yeah, that's the whole point. She's
paid minim minimal uh sorry, minimized
minimized stamp duty because she's
removed her name from the home in
Greater Manchester.
>> So So she's used So she's used what most
um uh law-abiding
>> Oh, cuz we've all got homes in Greater
Manchester. We're all buying 800,000
flats in home.
>> You haven't let me finish my point. You
haven't let me finish my point. She's
your
>> careful. I might ban you from listening.
No, I wouldn't like to be banned.
>> No. Well, I know you might not like to
be banned, bound, but I'm thinking of
it.
>> I'm I'm asking a question and you're not
letting me reply to your question. Okay.
She's obviously employed an accountant.
So, she's employed an accountant who's
paying national insurance. She's
obviously employed a solicitor. So,
she's actually creating work for those
people.
>> Yes.
>> Well, that's an extraordinary way. No
brilliant you're ask you're asking she
she bought a public
>> so it's it's actually it's a make work
project for the deputy so what we need
we need every government minister to go
around buying as many houses as they can
dodging tanks because it's making work
>> well Jeremy Jeremy Hunt bought 10 I'm
not seeking to defend that either it's
they've all they've all done no sorry
they've all many of them have done
egregious things
why don't you bang on about it when they
do do these The problem we have at this
moment in time is that all the press in
the UK is toy driven. They they apart
from the daily D daily mirror and a few
>> and the Guardian. So what about
>> what about what about the the Telegraph?
>> I would suggest and I would suggest the
BBC is probably more leftleaning. Bel I
have enjoyed our conversation. Please
understand sir the I you are not banned.
I look forward to you listening to me on
Monday.
>> Do you lie awake at night thinking how
can you get to Angela Raina? No, I don't
lie awake at night thinking of Angela
woman. It's pathetic, Nick.
>> I'm not obsessed with Angela. I promise
you I'm not. But I I do think I do think
the fact that she is the housing
minister and she's used a legitimate
dodge to save 40 grand. Is a story.
>> It's a legitimate.
>> No, legitimate. No, legitimate. Yes.
Yes. Yes.
>> Yeah. Legitimate. Yes. So, she's she's
so she's done nothing wrong.
>> You said in the last call.
>> No, she's done nothing. She's It's the
morality that one questions.
>> So So you're banging on all morning
about when she's not actually broke the
law. She's done nothing wrong. I know.
>> And like Marina said, you have Nigel Far
on takes in his tummy. He's done all
sorts and you let it all go. Richard
Price, let it all go. Mick, you're
obsessed with the woman.
>> Honestly, matey, I'm I'm Well, okay.
I'll let you think that I
There may be some women I'm obsessed
with, but honestly, Angela Raina is not
one of them.
I have the uh the quote from the
Telegraph. Oh yes.
>> And um the thing that that smacks of of
blatant hypocrisy to me is that for
stamp duty purposes,
>> it says she has claimed that the hose
flat is her primary residence.
>> But for council tax purposes, she is
claiming that the Manchester property is
her primary residence.
>> Oh, right. This gets even more complex
then.
>> Exactly. Yes. And that is definitely
wrong, isn't it? One or the other. And
if she is living in her fine,
>> just just to clarify, I've caught up
with you in the copy there. At the
weekend, sources close to her said it
was her main. So there is something
very, can I use the word fishy or dodgy
going on here?
>> Absolutely. Absolutely. So when people
say, I'm very grateful you called in
because I can put this to you in a way
that I couldn't to a bloke. When I'm
told by some commentators, "Oh, we're
all doing this because it's a woman." Do
you buy into that?
>> No. No. That hadn't even occurred to me
until um the previous lady said that.
And even then, I was thinking, "Really?
I don't think so." Because an awful lot
of ministers get hauled over the coals
for an awful lot of fishy stuff.
>> I think you've nailed it. It is. Thank
you for reading that extra line in the
copy, although it is sort of prior to
how events have now moved on, but it's
an important point you make, Claire, and
I'm grateful to you. It's nothing to do
with it being a woman. It's nothing to
do with her being from the north. It's
nothing to do with her being workingass.
It's to do with the look of it. Just the
simple look of it. Graeme and Bushy says
the left are saying Angela Raina's stamp
duty is a non-story. Had this been a
Tory minister or reform MP, they would
be jumping up and down demanding their
resignation. I think that's a very fair
interpretation. Meanwhile, Sophia says,
"Leave her alone. She's not breaking the
law. What is your problem? Do do a
better job you
bloody lazy journalist. It's like being
back for RER. Uh Matt's in Dartford.
Matt, you're on the radio. Good morning.
>> Good morning, Nick. Interesting text. Um
yeah, just it's just a really quick one
about being in public office and uh
having a code of ethics uh having a code
of conduct to follow. And it's about for
me, I don't care if you're out of public
sector, you're not in a in a role like a
minister or an MP, anything like that.
If the system allows for it, you do you.
It's your own morality. You've got no
one else to answer to. But when you're
in the public eye talking about things,
especially as a socialist as well, not a
catalyst. I just believe that it's
morally wrong that if you're the MP for
Manchester, your main residence is 300
miles away. Or even as a deputy prime
minister, should be based in London, and
I appreciate that. It's a very important
job. You're still hundreds of miles away
from London. It's not It can't be your
main residence. It's just I'd rather
people just on the left were like, "Do
you know what? actually she's kind of
made a bit of a a mess up here and she's
not got this one right and she should
apologize and I think people would just
let it go.
>> If you were working in her what they
call comm's team in her communication
team, what would you be saying to her
now? What how do we if she says okay how
do we tidy this up? What does she need
to do in your view Matt?
>> I I think she even needs to come out and
hold her hands up and say you know what
it was a silly mistake to make and I
probably shouldn't have done it and then
actually well it'd be costly for her. I
think she should just pay the stamp duty
that she should have done. Um because
because at the end of the day, you can't
preach. I mean, there's tweets which I'm
sure you'll see on your timeline today,
but there's tweets from years ago that
she's literally saying tax dodges need
to be tackled. The tax divor's literally
saying it's about housing as well, which
is comical. And what I'm I think is I
don't care what people do. Like the
system allows you to do something, do
it. But if you're in public office and
you're going to try and preach to me
about it, you need to you need to act as
you say. You need to say, "Well, if I'm
going to do this, I'm going to follow."
And as much as I'm not a fan of Jeremy
Corbyn whatsoever,
>> most of his political life, give it to
him. Doesn't claim excessive expenses.
Doesn't dodge tax. He's very by the book
guy.
>> No, I agree with you. And I think your
aspect on public like that that you've
absolutely nailed it. That's the point
I've been trying to get across. I think
I it won't go to some because they see
it as an attack on women, working-class
women, or even working-class northern
women. But I think you nailed it, Matt.